What do/don't you like about FP?

"Spridget" (dustbustervans) 12/13/2015 at 11:44 • Filed to: None

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I noticed that FP is getting crappier and crappier each day, with more of Tavarish and Alanis King’s clickbait, as well as more of those stupid buyers guides. Fortunately, there’s still Jason and Raph to give good ol’ fashioned random, weird, and sometimes bullshit content. Those are just my two cents. What do/don’t you like about FP?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Spridget 12/13/2015 at 11:45

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Gawker = Crappy

Thing about Oppo is it’s real . And (mostly) well mannered.

Spridget > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 12/13/2015 at 11:47

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Sometimes political/personal posts get a little, ahem, out of control . Oppo is definitely much more politically diverse than the rest of gawker.

bob and john > Spridget 12/13/2015 at 11:48

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at the end of the day, its still a business right? the buyer guides actually make a lot of sense (and I dig them..even if the last like 10 have just been SUV’s)

Oppo is the way it is because we dont need to make money. this is our fun. Jalopnik, its their lively hood. so they cant always have everything we/they want.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > Spridget 12/13/2015 at 11:50

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The comments section.

Spridget > bob and john 12/13/2015 at 11:50

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True, Jalopnik is for profit, but the buyers guides appeal more to a Consumer Reports audience than a Jalop/Oppo/Enthusiast audience, in my opinion. There’s nothing wrong with that, except no one who would read CR is going to go to Jalopnik for advice.

Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras > Spridget 12/13/2015 at 11:50

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What I’ve really grown to dislike is if you’re in the minority of anything, you’re attacked by the internet

Spridget > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 12/13/2015 at 11:51

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Yeah, a lot of bullshiters and assholes down there. It’s really gone downhill in the past year or so.

Spridget > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras 12/13/2015 at 11:52

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Yeah, for example, I actually like some donks. I think hydraulics are cool. So deal with it, FP people.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Spridget 12/13/2015 at 11:52

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FP is simply lame. Lame and rude and not worth the time to peruse it.

Spridget > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 12/13/2015 at 11:54

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I’ll read Jason’s, Raphs, and Mate’s articles, and that’s it. The rest are garbage.

TheHondaBro > Spridget 12/13/2015 at 11:55

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The Ford/Mazda/Volvo circlejerk irritates me.

JR1 > Spridget 12/13/2015 at 11:56

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I dislike the damn bike articles. It is an automotive website. Not a motorcycle website. And it seems like the bikes are always spamming Jalopnik

whoarder is tellurium > Spridget 12/13/2015 at 11:56

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Seems like the FP has definitely lost its “purity of essence”. I cannot tell what is a real story anymore vs just a repost or an advert.

Basically: Clickbait and PC SJWs has ruined the internet.

Spridget > whoarder is tellurium 12/13/2015 at 11:57

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Like of the “jalopnik deals” or “gawker media deals.”

Just SHUT THE FUCK UP. No one wants to buy your shit.

bob and john > Spridget 12/13/2015 at 11:58

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thats the thing...
the jalop/oppo/enthusiant crowd? WE are the minority. the biggest # of click comes from the masses. the consumers. not the enthusiasts. by having a buyer guide that shows up on google (because, lets be real here. 90% of the people who DO buy those cars look them up online to see if it comes in a nice color, then whats the best lease deal they can get), they re-direct some of those clicks that would have gone to motortrend or R&T to them.

THEY are the main source of income. not us. Its high time we accepted this.

Spridget > JR1 12/13/2015 at 11:58

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The bike articles don’t bother me, as at least it’s real content. Alanis King’s stuff, on the other hand . . . .

Spridget > bob and john 12/13/2015 at 12:03

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Right, but Jalopnik was always a place where the car enthusiasts, a minority, could go and read articles about all of the wacky cars they wanted to. That’s what made Jalopnik good; it covered all sorts of enthusiasts, whether you wanted to read about McLarens or Citroens. Unlike the forums, the commentors were general respectful, and it covered everything, not just a niche make, model, or genre like all of the other websites. Now, we’re watching Jalopnik turn into a Gawker Media cash cow, which leaves Oppo as the sole website that carries the original Jalopnik mantra.

Hahayoustupidludditeshutupandgohandcrankyourmodeltalready > Spridget 12/13/2015 at 12:03

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So you’re saying that what you dislike most are their primary sources of revenue?

whoarder is tellurium > Spridget 12/13/2015 at 12:03

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Every time I see the Jalopnik eBook advert:

Spridget > Hahayoustupidludditeshutupandgohandcrankyourmodeltalready 12/13/2015 at 12:04

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Sure, they make money off of it, but would you rather have a poor website with good content or a rich one full of shit?

bob and john > Spridget 12/13/2015 at 12:05

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they still do the weird shit. but now that its winter and all of the niche cars are away, they need something to to post, and they need to make money.

to the consumers they cater. once summer rolls around again, it will be buisness as usual

signintoburnerlol > Spridget 12/13/2015 at 12:05

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I think the front page is fine, i still come back everday and find good content. Jalopnik never had perfect content, not every single article will be of interest to me. But they still hit the right spots on some of their stuff, hence why i still keep coming back.

Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras > Spridget 12/13/2015 at 12:05

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i like stance...and hate plaid seats, I was nearly burned at the stake

Spridget > whoarder is tellurium 12/13/2015 at 12:06

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Every time I see the eBook ad:

Spridget > bob and john 12/13/2015 at 12:07

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But they were still posting the same clickbait this summer. It’s not a seasonal thing. Petrolicious covers good cars all year.

bob and john > Spridget 12/13/2015 at 12:09

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and see how small and, frankly, irrelevant they are?

Spridget > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras 12/13/2015 at 12:09

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I’m not a big fan of stance and I love plaid seats, but that’s your opinion. I’m not gonna trash talk you for having a different opinion than me, because, at the end of the day, I really don’t give a rat’s ass about your opinion. It doesn’t affect me what your think.

Sneaky Pete > Spridget 12/13/2015 at 12:10

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I can’t stand just about anything by Kat or Justin. They try far too hard. They’re annoying beyond belief.

Oh, and FP authors that crash cars on manufacturer hosted events...

Spridget > signintoburnerlol 12/13/2015 at 12:10

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Right, the Jason Drives videos are exactly what I’m looking for, and that’s the only reason I come back at all.

Spridget > Sneaky Pete 12/13/2015 at 12:12

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Kat and Justin don’t bother me, but I see what your saying about some of the authors trying too hard cough Tavarish cough.

yamahog > Spridget 12/13/2015 at 12:12

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IIRC, the Buyer Guides were written with us in mind, so we can direct our not-so-saavy friends and family (who always ask for carbuying advice even thought they’re looking for an appliance) to a site that we trust as opposed to CR and the like.

AkursedX > Spridget 12/13/2015 at 12:12

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I would like to see more garage-built features. There are alot of people out there who have built some amazing things on their own and have turned their cars into something special.

These people are usually passionate enthisiast types as it is and I love reading/hearing about them and the how’s and why’s of why they built their car.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > Spridget 12/13/2015 at 12:13

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I don’t like how if you have an opinion to express it doesn’t get seen because the moment articles get posted they’re buried in about 300 comments seemingly written by 4th graders.

Spridget > yamahog 12/13/2015 at 12:14

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My family doesn’t really ask me for advice, as no is interested in buying a 40 year old car with no engine in a sketchy part of town that I found on Craigslist.

davedave1111 > Spridget 12/13/2015 at 12:16

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When the Gawker sewage leaks over - and I include all of Tyler’s idiotic nonsense in that - it pollutes the rest of the page, and you can only block so much with browser addons.

GhostZ > Spridget 12/13/2015 at 12:16

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The only bad parts about the FP seem to be directly influenced by the worst parts of Gawker. Clickbait, cross-posts, and a willingness to milk a series of articles way past what is necessary as long as they keep getting clicks.

The Buyer’s Guides I actually don’t mind, and the idea of a pricing guide for “average enthusiasts” who actually would autocross is appealing and useful. I just wish they weren’t in an article/blog format, which is extremely inefficient, Put it in a wiki format or something so people browse and compare reviews easier.

Spridget > AkursedX 12/13/2015 at 12:17

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Yeah, they rebranded “Car Buying” as “The Garage”, but I’ve only seen a few actual wrenching articles on “The Garage”, it’s just the same Tavarish clickbait every day.

Spridget > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 12/13/2015 at 12:18

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We need a better upvote/downvote system.

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > JR1 12/13/2015 at 12:18

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You’re kidding right? Jalopnik has become more than just cars. It’s really about transportation now and I love it. Lane splitter and foxtrot alpha have given some of the best content. I was sad when they announced flight club would be shutting down. If you want an automotive website stick to road and track and leave your negativity

DrJohannVegas > Spridget 12/13/2015 at 12:18

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I like that FP doesn’t have posts constantly complaining about Oppo.

yamahog > whoarder is tellurium 12/13/2015 at 12:18

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Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > Spridget 12/13/2015 at 12:19

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It was good when I got here about a year ago but it’s noticeably gotten worse.

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > Spridget 12/13/2015 at 12:21

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For me it’s the click bait and front page commenter that turn me off. King has put out some good stuff though as a weekend editor like yesterday’s piece on the snowball derby and a few weeks ago her piece on abandoned race tracks. Tavarish’s articles piss me off the most as far as click bait goes and I wish he would have just stuck to his art of the flip articles.

yamahog > Spridget 12/13/2015 at 12:22

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“but think of the JALOP CRED, gramps!”

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 12/13/2015 at 12:23

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Half of those crappy comments are pending anyway.

whoarder is tellurium > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/13/2015 at 12:29

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Amen. Jalopnik is all things transportation and mechanical awesomeness.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > Spridget 12/13/2015 at 12:32

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One thing I’ve noticed is that replies have much more weight than recommendations. When looking at the “show all replies” list, a comment with five recommends and 10 replies is going to be much higher up the list than a comment with 50 recommends and no replies.

HammerheadFistpunch > Spridget 12/13/2015 at 12:33

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This thread is salty.

JR1 > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/13/2015 at 12:33

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You came to a question about possible dislikes on the FP you have to expect some negativity. This is my negative comment. Foxtrot while great is another example of something that has nothing to do with the original purpose of the website, to write about cars. Jalopnik does a great job of getting info out faster than most which is why I still like to read the website but I think the the bikes and nat security are a bit of a spam. However I do read Fox Trot from time to time

traderQAMobileTestAutomationMobileBoostOn > Spridget 12/13/2015 at 12:35

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CB > Spridget 12/13/2015 at 12:38

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I think it’s fine. I mean, I don’t have to pay for it and I get entertainment, so that’s a pretty good payoff.

Funktheduck > TheHondaBro 12/13/2015 at 12:44

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I love my Mazda.

Dusty Ventures > JR1 12/13/2015 at 12:45

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Jalopnik has done stories about bikes, planes, trains, and boats since way back when the years had two zeros in them. Jalopnik has never been just cars.

Short-throw Granny Shifter is 2 #blessed 2b stressed > Spridget 12/13/2015 at 12:49

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That I’m still fuckin grey on FP. Approved should be the default, with grey reserved for flagged posts. That’s a kinja problem though.

Patrick George > Spridget 12/13/2015 at 12:49

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Obviously, I’m going to strongly disagree that our website is “getting crappier and crappier each day.” Sorry to hear the site isn’t exactly what you want, exactly all of the time. But here are some big wins and improvements we’ve had this year:

-Our new video arm has turned out awesome stuff from scratch, like Jason Drives and Jalopnik Investigates

-Bigger and better stories, including good investigative journalism, like this and this and this (and so much more)

-Better visuals, better photography

-Still doing fun, insane, ridiculous stuff from Raph and Jason, like you mentioned!

- More bikes because bikes are awesome!

- COTD is back!!!

And a lot else I don’t have time to list. I’m extremely proud of everything we’ve done this year.

It sounds like you don’t like Buyer’s Guides, Gawker deals and ads; fair enough, and who really likes ads? But that stuff makes money. It’s how we pay for our salaries and health insurance and have a budget to do the cool things you readers get everyday.

It also pays for Oppo, too. Image hosting and server space ain’t free. I know it may seem like all of this stuff just magically appears on the Internet sometimes, but there are real people working hard to make it happen.

As always, suggestions welcome on how we can do better.

Tripper > Spridget 12/13/2015 at 12:50

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What’s wrong with the buyers guides?

Dusty Ventures > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/13/2015 at 12:51

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I’m with you on Alanis. She does some good stuff, and you can really sense her enthusiasm in a lot of the motorsports stories.

Patrick George > Spridget 12/13/2015 at 12:54

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Are we not like that anymore? A site that covers everything from McLarens to Citroens, and more?

and 100 more > Spridget 12/13/2015 at 12:55

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The shit commenters. Which is not to disparage the good guys, the jerks just ruin it.

JR1 > Dusty Ventures 12/13/2015 at 12:55

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I think we can both agree in the past year or so they have had quite a few more stories

and 100 more > DrJohannVegas 12/13/2015 at 12:56

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Bingo.

DoYouEvenShift > davedave1111 12/13/2015 at 12:59

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I was about to agree with you about all the people from Gawker riding over to Jalopnik on their high horses.

But I love Tylers stuff. Hes probably my favorite on here actually.

Patrick George > Dusty Ventures 12/13/2015 at 12:59

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Alanis is the best!

Dusty Ventures > JR1 12/13/2015 at 13:03

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Ok, so they decided to expand on an element that’s always been a part of Jalopnik. Fine by me.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Patrick George 12/13/2015 at 13:04

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I think you guys are doing great, Patrick. Lots of great stuff lately, and love that COTD’s back. Now, just give Seat Safety Switch a weekly spot, and keep an eye on http://oppositeblog.kinja.com/ for good shares from OPPO!

Patrick George > signintoburnerlol 12/13/2015 at 13:05

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Thank you!

Patrick George > AkursedX 12/13/2015 at 13:06

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The Garage is still a relatively new endeavor, and while it’s been a huge hit so far we’re still figuring out what we want to do with it. Stay tuned. More cool stuff to come.

davedave1111 > DoYouEvenShift 12/13/2015 at 13:08

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You should do some more research. He’s a lying piece of shit, who is wrong on pretty much every topic he pontificates about - and who is quite happy to write something he knows beforehand is wrong, as long as it gets him paid. He’s utterly shameless in pushing lies that have been thoroughly debunked, and then invoking conspiracy theories about ‘paid stooges’ whenever someone points that out.

Patrick George > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/13/2015 at 13:08

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Thanks amigo!

Dusty Ventures > Patrick George 12/13/2015 at 13:10

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She’s a good addition to the team. I like her

bob and john > Patrick George 12/13/2015 at 13:11

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even moar bikes please :D

pjhusa > Patrick George 12/13/2015 at 13:13

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Well said, resident Camaro crasher!!! :)

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > Patrick George 12/13/2015 at 13:13

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I just wanna say thanks for responding patrick

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > Dusty Ventures 12/13/2015 at 13:15

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Yeah I think she’s the best weekend editor Jalopnik has had in the past year or so

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > Patrick George 12/13/2015 at 13:15

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Jason should to small household appliance reviews.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Patrick George 12/13/2015 at 13:16

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- COTD is back!!!

Yay .

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Patrick George 12/13/2015 at 13:16

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$kaycog > Patrick George 12/13/2015 at 13:16

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I couldn’t agree more!

#BackgroundAppropriate

sdwarf36 > Spridget 12/13/2015 at 13:17

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I have noticed there used to be ten noteworthy things on the FPs to each sponsored or buyers guides. Now its about even. But you know what? It still doesn’t cost me anything.

I WOULD like to see more Oppo make it to the front page though...

Justin T. Westbrook > Spridget 12/13/2015 at 13:18

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Write for the audience you want! They don’t come because we don’t have what they want. The Buyer’s Guides provide that. Something for everyone.

Dunnik > Spridget 12/13/2015 at 13:19

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The appearance of the buyer’s guide is disturbing. Even more disturbing is they seem to be embarrassed about this series, the author is “Jalopnik Staff”. Some credit must be due, however. When they reviewed the Jeep Compass I half expected them to write it as if FCA PR was looking over their shoulder, but they did pretty much say the Crapass is crap and no, you shouldn’t buy one.

Tavarish’s posts have long since slipped into parodies of themselves. “Why buy a Mustang When You Can Buy 10,000 lbs of Potatoes?”

Doug DeMuro’s writing has improved from its highschool freshman levels to that of a highschool senior, but he still has a tendency to ramble on for 6 paragraphs before he gets to the point.

The irony is that Gawker media’s writers almost went on strike over pay and conditions, and yet these same writers take our articles here on Oppo and put them up on the FP without so much as a by-your-leave. I earn 100,000 views for an article, bringing those eyeballs to their advertisers, and I don’t even get a thank-you. I guess access to a platform where thousands can read your words is thank-you enough.

Justin T. Westbrook > Sneaky Pete 12/13/2015 at 13:19

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I’ve always been a try-hard.

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > davedave1111 12/13/2015 at 13:20

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Sounds like the only one invoking conspiracy theories is you brah

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > traderQAMobileTestAutomationMobileBoostOn 12/13/2015 at 13:23

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What do you have against planes bro

Phatboyphil > yamahog 12/13/2015 at 13:23

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Doug Demuro wrote an article on why you should never give friends car advice and from personal experience its true.

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > Spridget 12/13/2015 at 13:28

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They’ve never been perfect (what site is?) but I still read and enjoy a fair bit of stuff on there. I don’t like to comment there but I never really have so that’s nothing new, Oppo is literally the only site I regularly comment on.

PushToStart > Spridget 12/13/2015 at 13:36

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They might. A google search for Honda CRV Buyers Guide would probably put the Jalopnik article as one of the first 5 results, so someone seriously considering buying one could very easily access it.

Patrick George > Spridget 12/13/2015 at 13:37

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The thing about the Buyer’s Guides is they’re written with input from all of us and while they often cover really mainstream cars, they have the honesty that you expect from Jalopnik. If a car sucks, we’ll say it sucks in Buyer’s Guides. Case in point: http://buyersguide.jalopnik.com/jeep-compass-j…

The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock > davedave1111 12/13/2015 at 13:38

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Tylers posts are actually pretty good, his posts are non bias and are enjoyable to read.

mazda616 > Funktheduck 12/13/2015 at 13:58

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Same.

V12 Jake- Hittin' Switches > TheHondaBro 12/13/2015 at 13:59

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THIS

desertdog5051 > Patrick George 12/13/2015 at 14:03

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I’m OK with it. Nobody likes ads, but they pay the bills and you can scroll past them easily. My day would suck without TMS, AOTD, COTD.

Let the naysayers think about all this.

Keep it going Patrick.

Scott > davedave1111 12/13/2015 at 14:15

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Yes I often wonder how many people avoid Jalopnik due to its close proximity to Gawker and all those radicals. Some days it gets so bad I think that Jalopnik is a bate and switch site for Gawker. On days when it gets really bad I only go to Jalopnik as a means to get the related topics menu so I can get over to Lanesplitter, The Garage, Blackflag and other more on topic sites. I can deal with the trending window up top, but the articles that are way, way off topic for Jalopnik just have no place.

ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > Spridget 12/13/2015 at 14:51

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Simple solution; Go somewhere else if it bothers you that much.

Meanwhile the rest of us will continue to enjoy the site as it is, knowing that the things you’ve mentioned, while not our favorites, keep the site around for all the other good stuff it has to offer.

JCAlan > Spridget 12/13/2015 at 15:20

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I actually like the Buyers Guides because, like Patrick said, they’re still pretty down to earth and gritty, even if designed for a broader audience.

And you know what? I might buy that damned adventure belt eventually, so whatever.

I like that Lehto is a front page author, I enjoy every one of his articles. I like Doug for the comic relief. I like Jason for the odd-ball-edness. And as for everyone else, if the topic looks good to me, I click it. If not, I scroll right past. No complaints here.

TheHondaBro > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 12/13/2015 at 15:20

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“Jason Reviews Oster Toaster”

The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock > JR1 12/13/2015 at 15:39

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I like it, you don’t. It’s an easy problem to solve, don’t read them. They are not forcing you to.

davedave1111 > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/13/2015 at 15:40

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Well, yes. He’s not here right now. But he’s repeatedly accused anyone who disagrees with him of being a paid stooge. That’s his MO. Then he bans them.

davedave1111 > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 12/13/2015 at 15:41

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You are mistaken. Vanishingly little of what he writes is anything other than flat-out, deliberate lies on his part.

davedave1111 > Scott 12/13/2015 at 15:42

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Er, what? Gawker has zero association with Radicalism. Quite the reverse, in fact.